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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Journalists vs. PR Pros: This debate will never be settled :PRBreakfastClub -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Journalists vs. PR Pros: This debate will never be settled :PRBreakfastClub -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Nicole VanScoten, Red Cube Marketing, TJ Dietderich, Hisham Sadek هشام, shahidm and others. shahidm said: ...... RT @PRCAI: Journalists vs. PR Pros: This debate will never be settled http://tinyurl.com/yzjfk9v #prbc [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Nicole VanScoten, Red Cube Marketing, TJ Dietderich, Hisham Sadek هشام, shahidm and others. shahidm said: &#8230;&#8230; RT @PRCAI: Journalists vs. PR Pros: This debate will never be settled <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yzjfk9v" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yzjfk9v</a> #prbc [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Valley PR Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Constant struggle between PR Pros and Journos</title>
		<link>http://prbreakfastclub.com/2010/02/02/journalists-vs-pr-pros/comment-page-1/#comment-2352</link>
		<dc:creator>Valley PR Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Constant struggle between PR Pros and Journos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about this issue a lot, and was reminded of how hot of a topic it can be after checking out this blog post from The PR Breakfast Club. A while back, I re-tweeted a post that claimed &#8220;95 percent of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about this issue a lot, and was reminded of how hot of a topic it can be after checking out this blog post from The PR Breakfast Club. A while back, I re-tweeted a post that claimed &#8220;95 percent of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Max Tatton-Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Tatton-Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got so bored of reading those kind of articles that I came up with a solution.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Current plan is here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://j.mp/prspam&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://j.mp/prspam&lt;/a&gt; and version 2 is on the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got so bored of reading those kind of articles that I came up with a solution.  </p>
<p>Current plan is here: <a href="http://j.mp/prspam" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/prspam</a> and version 2 is on the way.</p>
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		<title>By: JamesMulrennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesMulrennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst I believe in principal that ‘an inconvenient truth’ is a good idea and its great to see it spark debate, I do think this is a double edge sword and I agree with Cathy Wallace that there should be some middle ground. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why can’t we all put flowers in our hair and run through the fields holding each others hands? OK, perhaps this is a step to far but certain journalists could be more responsive to PR’s and actually give them greater detail on what does and doesn’t interest them, this way none of us have to waste time sending and calling about releases that we know will not interest them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PR’s have to remember that they need to keep on side with the journalist but Mr Journalist has to remember that they too rely on us mere PR mortals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst I believe in principal that ‘an inconvenient truth’ is a good idea and its great to see it spark debate, I do think this is a double edge sword and I agree with Cathy Wallace that there should be some middle ground. </p>
<p>Why can’t we all put flowers in our hair and run through the fields holding each others hands? OK, perhaps this is a step to far but certain journalists could be more responsive to PR’s and actually give them greater detail on what does and doesn’t interest them, this way none of us have to waste time sending and calling about releases that we know will not interest them.</p>
<p>PR’s have to remember that they need to keep on side with the journalist but Mr Journalist has to remember that they too rely on us mere PR mortals.</p>
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		<title>By: Thelittleprlady</title>
		<link>http://prbreakfastclub.com/2010/02/02/journalists-vs-pr-pros/comment-page-1/#comment-2301</link>
		<dc:creator>Thelittleprlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an attempt at sucking up to journalists who don&#039;t really deserve the attention. I studied PR and Journalism at university to really understand the beast... That is assisting the relationship, not some half baked attempt at getting your name in lights.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hate the way some journo&#039;s act about PR&#039;s, but I also hate the way some PR&#039;s will blanket email just to satisfy clients unrealistic expectations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I let a client go last week because she insisted that I not choose a handful of specifically targeted mediums and that I blanket email to a list of 750 media outlets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was quite happy to let her go, rather than upset some of my very valued media contacts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is how you strengthen the relationship.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PR people are supposed to be about tactics, journo&#039;s should beware of the PR agencies signing on to this microwave attempt at strengthening their relationships. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Can anyone smell advertising execs attempting to be PR consultants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s an attempt at sucking up to journalists who don&#39;t really deserve the attention. I studied PR and Journalism at university to really understand the beast&#8230; That is assisting the relationship, not some half baked attempt at getting your name in lights.</p>
<p>I hate the way some journo&#39;s act about PR&#39;s, but I also hate the way some PR&#39;s will blanket email just to satisfy clients unrealistic expectations.</p>
<p>I let a client go last week because she insisted that I not choose a handful of specifically targeted mediums and that I blanket email to a list of 750 media outlets.</p>
<p>I was quite happy to let her go, rather than upset some of my very valued media contacts.</p>
<p>This is how you strengthen the relationship.</p>
<p>PR people are supposed to be about tactics, journo&#39;s should beware of the PR agencies signing on to this microwave attempt at strengthening their relationships. </p>
<p>Can anyone smell advertising execs attempting to be PR consultants?</p>
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		<title>By: taraberkoski</title>
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		<dc:creator>taraberkoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really only takes a few to ruin it for the rest. There&#039;s always going to be the people that aren&#039;t good at doing their job and it won&#039;t change. PR professionals can always make a good name for themselves though by not spamming. If you pitch the right people about the right topic/client, they&#039;ll remember it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really only takes a few to ruin it for the rest. There&#39;s always going to be the people that aren&#39;t good at doing their job and it won&#39;t change. PR professionals can always make a good name for themselves though by not spamming. If you pitch the right people about the right topic/client, they&#39;ll remember it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Ottavio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Ottavio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, you know I agree with you. But I see Laney&#039;s point in that often lower-level PR folk are forced to hit a certain number of journalists with every e-mail/press release they send. It&#039;s often times out of the messenger&#039;s control when a PR boss is telling you to e-mail 300 reporters. I know I am fortunate that this is not how my firm operates, but it happens far too often I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, you know I agree with you. But I see Laney&#39;s point in that often lower-level PR folk are forced to hit a certain number of journalists with every e-mail/press release they send. It&#39;s often times out of the messenger&#39;s control when a PR boss is telling you to e-mail 300 reporters. I know I am fortunate that this is not how my firm operates, but it happens far too often I think.</p>
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		<title>By: rachelakay</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachelakay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I love this post. I also blogged about this. Good PR pros have always rallied against spam, but I think trying to create a movement complete with &quot;Bill of Rights&quot; is just silly, not executable, and just highlights the bad seeds rather than the significant role we play in brand building.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Rachel Kay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate,</p>
<p>I love this post. I also blogged about this. Good PR pros have always rallied against spam, but I think trying to create a movement complete with &#8220;Bill of Rights&#8221; is just silly, not executable, and just highlights the bad seeds rather than the significant role we play in brand building.</p>
<p>Rachel Kay</p>
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		<title>By: Laney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jay. I completely agree with you about doing your homework. I spend many hours double checking all of the people on my list to make sure they are in fact writing about the things that I need them to be writing about. Unfortunately though with some of the trades it doesn&#039;t always work and I still get those &quot;please remove&quot; emails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jay. I completely agree with you about doing your homework. I spend many hours double checking all of the people on my list to make sure they are in fact writing about the things that I need them to be writing about. Unfortunately though with some of the trades it doesn&#39;t always work and I still get those &#8220;please remove&#8221; emails.</p>
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		<title>By: @jaykeith</title>
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		<dc:creator>@jaykeith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laney,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think your comment about the media database is a good one, but really all that points out is that PR pros need to do more and more homework to make sure that they are pitching the right people.  Lists are nice, but nowadays you have to then check that list against real life stories to make sure things are the same and match up. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;An interesting example of this actually happened with @TJDietderich and I last week.  I was talking to her about a reporter who I&#039;m friends with, who was doing a story on the iPad&#039;s name, and how ridiculous it was.  When I told TJ about it and who the reporter was, she said &quot;oh the careers reporter?&quot;  Well yes that is &quot;her beat,&quot; but clearly she isn&#039;t JUST covering careers if she&#039;s doing iPad stories.  This is my point, the PR pros who do their homework and only pitch targeted people get results.  Reporters are changing topics and beats nearly daily, so you can&#039;t rely on what Cision tells you.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those who rely only on lists generated by Cision etc, are going to hit the wrong targets.  It&#039;s inevitable.  So really, it&#039;s on us as PR pro&#039;s to make sure we&#039;re doing things right and hitting the right people.  And considering it only takes a few extra minutes to double check and make sure your list is really solid, you can somewhat understand why journo&#039;s get frustrated from time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laney,</p>
<p>I think your comment about the media database is a good one, but really all that points out is that PR pros need to do more and more homework to make sure that they are pitching the right people.  Lists are nice, but nowadays you have to then check that list against real life stories to make sure things are the same and match up. </p>
<p>An interesting example of this actually happened with @TJDietderich and I last week.  I was talking to her about a reporter who I&#39;m friends with, who was doing a story on the iPad&#39;s name, and how ridiculous it was.  When I told TJ about it and who the reporter was, she said &#8220;oh the careers reporter?&#8221;  Well yes that is &#8220;her beat,&#8221; but clearly she isn&#39;t JUST covering careers if she&#39;s doing iPad stories.  This is my point, the PR pros who do their homework and only pitch targeted people get results.  Reporters are changing topics and beats nearly daily, so you can&#39;t rely on what Cision tells you.  </p>
<p>Those who rely only on lists generated by Cision etc, are going to hit the wrong targets.  It&#39;s inevitable.  So really, it&#39;s on us as PR pro&#39;s to make sure we&#39;re doing things right and hitting the right people.  And considering it only takes a few extra minutes to double check and make sure your list is really solid, you can somewhat understand why journo&#39;s get frustrated from time to time.</p>
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